Atmosphere on Chick


wonderwhatif
on Aug 01, 2016 @ 08:50 pm

I'm getting a bit tired of the 'witch hunt' atmosphere around here.

I feel like there's a lot of constant sniping and 'he said, she said' and it's the reason I'm not around much anymore. Honestly can't we all just be supportive of each other and not worry about who's doing what?

I get that Top Chick creates an atmosphere of competition, but I'm a fan of friendly competition and I feel like I came here to be in a place where women support women.

I hate even having to make a post like this as I feel like 'call-out' posts can just be a bit whiny, but I just want to throw my hands up in the air at this stage. A lot of accusatory tone and stuff that maybe comes from jealousy or low self-esteem, but there's only so much compassion I can give when I feel like people who make Top Chick frequently (such as myself) are on the receiving end of a lot of hate. As well as having the Admin's pointed in our direction, because we must be cheating. I know it's not anybody's intent, but it kind of feels like constant hassle and bad feeling just because you have a lot of time and made Top Chick.

Last month it was a lot of competition so I made the decision not to bother with Top Chick, everyone has that right, but I didn't hold any ill will towards the people who earn it. It's up to you if it's worth the effort or not.

Anyway, I hope we can work together to change this atmosphere and that this post doesn't hurt or offend anyone (as that is in anyway not my intention), but please let's try and make Chickadvisor a more positive place again.
 

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wonderwhatif
. on Aug 01, 2016 @ 08:54 pm

And I might get in trouble for posting this as a comment (since I'm sure someone out there will say it's for points), but I also feel like the whole 'removed and reinstated forum points' was a direct result of this witch hunt atmosphere.

I get what everyone means when they say that some people take it too far (the points), but at the same time...it's starting to feel a little bit like bullying by the people who don't have the time or inclination to compete for points. If you really feel that way, just don't compete. It's ten dollars. There are plenty of amazing survey sites and whatnot you can make that much faster. So don't begrudge those who do choose to compete.
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wonderwhatif
. on Aug 01, 2016 @ 09:04 pm

I should mention that (sorry I keep adding) I also work from home and can choose my own (not very long) hours, so of course I have more time and put in more effort than people who are working full time jobs! Chickadvisor is for fun and testing, let's have more fun!
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Boychuk25
Eeek on Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:24 am

I've had an account on here for a bit but actually just started using it... And getting the hang of it.
I didn't know people are katty on here like this?? I have yet to encounter it... I mean, how do u know someone is being katty towards you?? Will they actually call you out? Isn't this for reviews and a place you can come to ask questions? I love this forum. I've asked lots of questions that I can't necessarily ask people I know and it has made things much easier for me!!
I'm so happy so far with this forum!!
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wonderwhatif
Boychuk on Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:39 am

It's something you'll notice after a while. Lately there seem to be more and more posts like (admittedly) this one, just complaining about points or chickadvisor in general.

I guess it just gets me down, though hopefully I didn't come across too harsh!

Other than that the forum is lovely and I really want to see it stay good as previously we did not seem to have as many problems. I think it comes up more when people get too competitive and it creates bad feelings.

The best way to be, in my opinion, is just to worry about yourself and not get too embroiled in winning or getting everything to test. Honestly, it's the difference in Chickadvisor I see is the sense of community and love for each other and I don't want to lose that over some gift cards or ChickAdvisor points competition, y'know?
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Boychuk25
I get it on Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:53 am

I understand what you're saying!! Perhaps this site is getting overly popular and there are a lot of new people trying too hard? Is that the issue?
Maybe with some tweaking on how the gift cards are rewarded could avoid the negitivity? Perhaps the admins could email the top chicks instead of having it posted all month? That way no one knows except the people being emailed? And once they have the winners they can then make a post with the monthly winners? It will still make people keep doing reviews and yes sometimes fake reviews as I saw someone complaining about but at least the chicks are all in the dark about who's on top or how many more points you need etc??!!
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wonderwhatif
. on Aug 02, 2016 @ 01:01 am

There are lots of ways the system could be changed, but honestly I believe that no matter what happens, someone will complain or be unhappy with how it works, which is what's really making me unhappy right now.

Even though your ideas are good, I think it's really sad we have to hide the winners or points just so people don't get annoyed or frustrated. As adults I think we're capable of making the effort/payback formulation for ourselves and decide if it's worth it to us.

I mean, I get so much more out of Chickadvisor than the free products and while I don't have as much time for the forum as I'd like and the points are extra motivation to remember to visit, I'd still come talk to you ladies regardless!

Also I think any review site will have problems with fake reviews, but those kind of people will burn themselves out eventually. I don't think we need make people feel bad if they do happen to do a lot of reviews as we don't know their circumstances! Just my 2 cents, but I really appreciate your input and suggestions!
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prettyrainbow
. on Aug 02, 2016 @ 01:29 am

I completely understand your frustration and you're absolutely right in wanting a peaceful forum. We shouldn't be made to feel like we're at fault for putting in extra effort as this can diminish someone's motivation for being a member of this site.

You've been quite active as a reviewer and deserve the recognition of being a Top Chick since you've worked very hard to earn that spot. Your reviews are detailed and I would gladly use you as a resource for when I need to shop for a product. Please don't feel like you've done something wrong. It's amazing that you've been rewarded, so be proud of that! In my opinion, it's no one's business but yours whether you spend 5 minutes or 5 hours working on your reviews and no one should be entitled to an explanation, other than the ChickAdvisor staff, if need be. I'm sure they work hard to keep track of how members conduct themselves and the first people who would be aware of any cheating would most probably be them.

On the other side of the coin, I can also understand why some members become concerned in thinking people are cheating the system. It's sort of like the same feeling you get when you've been standing in line for what seems like hours and then they call up the person who came in after you. You would have the urge to call out the mistake.

The complaints are probably coming from a genuine need to want to keep this site as user friendly and as fair as possible. However, I don't think it's right to assume that someone is automatically cheating just because they have more points or win gift cards. It's the same as saying someone is cheating because they keep getting 100% on their assignments or exams. Does that person have to justify how many hours they studied or where they got their answers from, to the rest of the class? Isn't the only person responsible for grading their work the teacher or professor? I feel it should be the same way here in that we should stay out of it because we just don't know what efforts that person put in to get to the rank they are at.

With that said, I have to add that competition and prizes can be a tricky subject. I have first hand experience with this, as I'm constantly using incentives in the classroom for my students. Sometimes, they can backfire if not used correctly. I believe what ChickAdvisor originally intended with the point system was for us to compete against ourselves and not against each other. Therefore, the goal was to try to better our own score month after month. Unfortunately, when prizes are involved, it can cause some people to want to win at all costs and view other "players" as the opposing team. I'm not implying that this is necessarily what is happening with members here, but it's a common reality of any game.

When you ask people to write a vast amount of reviews for prizes, it is inevitable that you may come across the issue of quantity versus quality, as well as risking cheating to occur. It's the same thing that happens when you try rewarding students for the most work done in class. You end up having some students who rush through their work and hand in short, unacceptable responses just so they can be first. This is not to say that there aren't those who will actually work at giving their best each and every time, but it's rather rare.

The reason I'm saying this is that ChickAdvisor shouldn't only be about the number of reviews the site has, but when I search for a product, I expect to find useful, detailed advice. There are lots of members who provide that, many of which don't even get to be Top Chick, but there are also those like yourself who do write lots of reviews and good ones at that and win prizes as a result. However, are the majority of reviews aiming to be Top Chick quality enough? I don't know if they are or not because I haven't felt it my business to check up on this, but it's a thought that Admin may want to evaluate for optimizing their site. It's great that the person may have thousands of reviews but if they all say "the product was nice and I liked it", what good is that? To reward this type of response would be counterproductive to what this site should stand for. That is the only issue I would have with the Top Chick contest. Other than that, if someone truly puts in the proper effort in an honest manner, then they should definitely be rewarded.

If ChickAdvisor really wants to give an incentive to get people to write reviews and make it really count, then my suggestion would be to provide prizes along the lines of "most detailed reviews" or "most helpful reviews/comments" with the use of a thumbs up button. This way, you can make sure quality takes center stage and people will be more motivated to actually think about the product and it's features. What will happen is that members will start to truly test the product properly, which in the end, is what the companies really want. It will also weed out members who aren't taking their reviews seriously enough and make it easier for the staff to spot who is cheating. The prize needs to count for the behaviour you're aiming for and what you want the community to stand for.

I hope this didn't sound like I was trying to point fingers at anyone. It's an ongoing issue which I hope can be dealt with in the best way possible by those most responsible. I have no doubt that our suggestions will be taken into account and we can hopefully continue to work positively together.



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prettyrainbow
. on Aug 02, 2016 @ 01:39 am

You're also right in saying that no matter what, someone will always find something to complain about, which is why you should just continue doing what you're doing and don't give it power to affect you. I know it's hard when it's always in your face and you're one of the ones the complaint was directed towards, but if you know you've tried your best and earned your way, then hold your head high and pat yourself on the back for work well done! :)


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wonderwhatif
Great input! on Aug 02, 2016 @ 01:40 am

Thank you for your input!

'I feel it should be the same way here in that we should stay out of it because we just don't know what efforts that person put in to get to the rank they are at.


With that said, I have to add that competition and prizes can be a tricky subject. I have first hand experience with this, as I'm constantly using incentives in the classroom for my students. Sometimes, they can backfire if not used correctly. I believe what ChickAdvisor originally intended with the point system was for us to compete against ourselves and not against each other. Therefore, the goal was to try to better our own score month after month. Unfortunately, when prizes are involved, it can cause some people to want to win at all costs and view other "players" as the opposing team. I'm not implying that this is necessarily what is happening with members here, but it's a common reality of any game.'

I feel like you really hit the nail on the head with this! This is exactly how I've been feeling. While I understand the frustration and concern, I also worry it's coming from a place of negativity, rather than general helpfulness. As a teacher you've surely met some kids who are so unhappy with themselves they blame everyone around them for everything. Much as I hate to say it, those people exist everywhere and I want to see us Chicks all supporting each other rather than bringing each other down! I'm definitely not trying to point fingers either, so I hope it doesn't come across that way, but I honestly don't have a solution to this problem either.

Even if something like a thumbs up system was implemented I'm sure people would find a new way to scam it (like on Amazon, where often upvotes are arbitrary or false).

I guess what I'm trying to say is:

Yes false reviews are a problem, but for me the bigger problem is how we are treating each other/ becoming suspicious of everyone around us.

I know first hand how easy it is to let a little anger and bitterness turn into something ugly, as it did so easily when I was very unhappy in my life, for me. I'd like to see this remain a place where everyone can feel safe and loved and while I know that's not always possible, that's far more important to me than any points system.

After all, this is the place where a bot can feel loved, just ask jashley :P
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Irememberu
wonderwhatif on Aug 02, 2016 @ 02:23 am

I completely agree with you. I've been noticing for some time now the icy atmosphere, put downs trying to be said in a "nice" way,complaints, jealousy, and just down right belittling. If anyone has a lot of points it seems they're up for complaints or jealousy. If they don't put the time in too bad, they shouldn/t be coming down on others.There's always lots of comments about how nice all the chicks are but I'm inclined not to believe them because the atmosphere has grown really icy. i KNOW there will be comments about what i say, but that's how I see it here lately.I think it's very small of a person to complain about people having a lot of points.I strongly do not believe some of these sugar coated false replies some say when there happens to be a hot or questionable topic. This is supposed to be a site where one can say what's on their mind so that's what I have done here.I'm positive I will get lots of negative replies and that's ok. CA reads all these posts and I think they have some idea of what chicks are saying that comes across as sarcasm, jealousy, etc. They do their job and in time, maybe a few will be seeded out; most likely myself for this post.BUT my honesty should and I believe will win out over the few sarcastic,etc. ones. Have a good week
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