Ali de Bold
on Sep 02, 2008 @ 02:18 pm|
For some reason this has the world in an uproar. I'm sure most of our American members have heard about this and probably the Canadians as well.
Sarah Palin, McCain's Vice Presidential pick and Abstinence activist has a pregnant teenage daughter. Oooooohhhh! It seems to have everyone in a tizzy. I think so what? Her daughter got her hand caught in the cookie jar doing something 99% of her peers do. It happens. It seems she is being responsible about it and her Mother is supporting her.
What I don't get is what does this have to do with Sarah Palin? Does this make her a bad mother? Just because she preaches abstinence does that mean that she can control her daughter's actions? Last night's newscast (CTV) said now people are wondering what else could be hiding/unknown. Please. I just think the whole thing is ridiculous and overblown and this should not affect Palin's ability to do her job whatsoever.
I don't care who wins the election since I don't live there, but I do care that people would question an entire campaign based on something entirely out of this person's control. A parent can no more control a teenager than the wind. My parents tried their best but when it came down to it, if I was determined to do something I did it. Especially at 17 when you are so close to being legal.
What do you guys think?
|Enh on Sep 02, 2008 @ 06:55 pm|
Now, I'm not a fan of Palin's ideologies, and I find it odd that while the Republicans have used Obama's lack of experience against him, Palin's experience in political office is even more limited. However, I think the pregnant teenage daughter issue shouldn't even be taken into serious account against the bigger picture. Nobody's voting for Bristol Palin. I mostly just feel sorry for the poor girl, being so young and being thrust into such a massive, lifelong responsibility. There's lots to preach about controlling one's children, firmness of beliefs, yada yada yada, but unfortunately we're all human beings who are imperfect and politics is very good at pretending we shouldn't be.
At the end of the day, media is media, critics are critics and most folks are hypocrites. This will blow over. By the time the election rolls along, it won't matter who's smile is cleaner and who's bedroom is neater. The real issues are what people think about when they fill the ballots.
|poor girl???? on Sep 02, 2008 @ 09:01 pm|
First, I do feel for Bristol Palin - I'm sure it is not easy to have the entire voting American public know that you are pregnant at 17. Yes, she must feel like her childhood is 'over' and she is now in for some very quick maturing. Her situation is one that I would not want to be in and I respect her decision to be a mom....I would also respect her decision if she chose not to. It is HER business. She has the unfortunate position of having her life broadcast over the Americas. (By the way, ever wonder why the "daddy" doesn't have to live under this particular microscope.... perhaps it would be different if it were his mom, or dad, running for VP)
OK, getting to my point. I don't feel 'sorry' for the 'poor girl' at all and I definately don't feel sorry for her mom. This is the year 2008. Contraception has been around for....hmmmm how long now?? Yes, Miss Palin's mommy thinks that absitnace is the only way to go, but she obvioulsy isn't listening to her mom anyway. (Who does at 17?) Surely she knows the obvious results of unprotected sexual activity, unfortunately, she made a concious choice to risk her health, the health of any future sexual partners, and now the health of her baby. Come on, she made her bed, had her unprotected fun in it, and now we are all crying boo hoo because she has been exposed and it is causing trouble for her mom's campaign. She knew her mother was a politician, I'm sure her mom reminded her of that everyday. It was her decision and it is unfortunate that her Mother needs to deal with it in a very public way ~ perhaps the public way would be to realize that absinance does not work with teenagers. Hello!!!
Unlike Misschicke (although she also has a right to her opinion) I do care who wins the election in the United States. What "they" do, does affect we of the more northerly persuasion ~ would we really be in Afganistan otherwise? (Now, I'm not giving an opinion of the war ~ I do support the individual Canadian's doing their job in a very volatile situation.)
I do not share Ms. Palin's political outlook, I do however respect the fact that she is entitled to her own opinon, and that opinion has merit, as do ALL others. I don't believe that she should be judged by what her daughter does, that does not mean that the American voters share my opinion.
Ali de Bold
|Hmmmm.... on Sep 03, 2008 @ 12:31 pm|
My point was that a daughter's unplanned pregnancy should not be having such an impact on her Mother's political career as those are two entirely separate things.
I know that Canadians are affected by what happens in the United States but since we can't vote there, there is nothing we can do about it. So I choose not to worry about it.
As to if she had unprotected sex or not... who knows? Maybe they used a condom but she was one of the 1% that got pregnant anyway. I think we have to be careful in judging young kids. If I look back at how I thought as a 17 year old compared to now, it is totally different.
|association on Sep 03, 2008 @ 11:38 pm|
First off, I'm an American. I definitely care about this election. I plainly support the Obama/Biden ticket. HOWEVER, regardless of my political stance, I think Bristol Palin's plight SHOULD have a bearing on the campaign. Now, let me lay some ground work. I do agree w/ both camps that this is a family matter and should be handled privately and the media should practice some discrtion. But where this issue DOES come into the campaign is Sarah Palin's women's choice policy. I don't think I can articulate quite clearly what I am thinking, but I will try ...
Palin's policy restricts women from having control over their own body when it comes to pregnancy (vehemently anti pro-choice). Her daughters situation is an example of her allowing no choice and further dictating that she marry the father. Granted, this may be what Bristol Palin has chosen on her own accord. But what I'm trying to say is if Palin wishes to remove a woman's right to choose what she does w/ her own body, how she handles the situation in her own family should definitely have a bearing on her character and the campaign.
Ali de Bold
|I so love this on Sep 04, 2008 @ 01:07 am|
That's what makes these forums so great. We have a nice cross section of Canadians and Americans so every issue can be discussed from multiple perspectives.
I just think that is so cool :)
|... on Sep 04, 2008 @ 10:43 pm|
Well said, spotty.
|disagreeing and agreeing... on Sep 21, 2008 @ 11:06 pm|
...with almost everyone who's posted already.
First off, if parenting isn't about "controlling" kids, that's a sign that the parents have been reduced to playing catch-up instead of actively building a groundwork for future decisions, which they probably should have done sooner.
Parenting also doesn't have much to do with politics at the federal level, so I do think it's absurd that we're hearing so much about Bristol's personal life. Spotty's point about links between a person's personal life and the policies or rules they enforce is well taken; but it seems Mrs. Palin is acting on what she believes in her personal life as well as her political one (it would be disturbing if, for example, she was going around making speeches about being pro-choice but was also threatening to disown a daughter that got an abortion). Whether you agree with her or not, at least that's not hypocrisy she's showing.
However, I suspect that Mrs. Palin was chosen less for her professional qualities (is it true that she said, during an interview, she doesn't know what the VP is supposed to do? Someone let me know!) than because as a woman with a pregnant teenage daughter, she appeals more to a public whose values are no longer those of the strict, unfeeling bunch that Republicans are often perceived to be (the teen pregnancy rate is apparently rising faster than the price of gas . . . okay, I'm being a smartass, but you get the point). So while I'm glad that the public is talking more about young motherhood, I agree with everyone who posted here and said something to the effect of "this has nothing to do with the question of whether she can do the job."
One last thing, though, and I'd love to know what everyone else thinks: Do we think the party itself decided to acknowledge (leak?) the news about the potential VP's pregnant teen daughter so that the media, tabloids, etc. wouldn't get to break the story first? The answer to that, I would argue, does have an implication that carries from the candidates' personal lives into their political ones (a tendency either to cover up, or to disclose).
|Tired of hearing about it on Sep 22, 2008 @ 09:19 am|
First of all, I don't think it's right or fair to assume that Bristol got pregnant because of unprotected sex/not using birth control. Condoms break. Birth control pills/rings etc. are not fool proof. Yes it's rare for those things to happen but it DOES happen. Secondly, I don't think it's right or fair to assume because her mother is pro-life that she forced that decision upon her daughter - nobody has ever said that happened, it's an outright lie and a big fat assumption. Not every women - teen or adult - who winds up with an unplanned pregnancy opts for aborting it - it's ridiculous to assume that she was forced to decide to keep her baby. Put yourself into their shoes for a nano-second and ask yourself if it were YOU, and YOUR family, would you really want people to say the nasty things that are being said about them? I don't think so. Would YOU want people saying you are not qualified for your job because your teen daughter is pregnant? Again, I don't think so.
I don't think this should have any bearing on the election. It's a family's personal business that does not have any effect on Palin's qualifications to do her job. Just because the woman is pro-life, likes to hunt and fish we're going to bash her and act like she's some evil, horrible creature and cheer like wild when Obama spews immature insults at her like "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig." ? Is that really the level of respect our society has stooped to?
I could rant all day and get into a lot of other information about this election but I'm going to choose to stay on topic and not get into other matters.
|context on Sep 22, 2008 @ 10:05 am|
First off, I'm with magenta - agreeing and disagreeing with what others have said.
The fact is, VP pick or not, family "scandals" happen. One need look
no farther than Bill Clinton or Dick Cheney to see that such news is
tabloid fodder for a while and then everyone moves on. Also, we are
not privy to the discussions that went on behind closed doors at the
Palin's home, so although we can't know who applied pressure to whom,
it's a safe bet that a daughter will be influenced to some degree by
her parents' moral code - as are we all.
Spotty is right though, that a parent's reaction to a child's decision
says a lot about their character, which like it or not will affect
their policy (even on a subconscious level). Dick Cheney's Republican
buds were none too thrilled at his support of his lesbian daughter.
He's proof that a parent can put their child ahead of personal
qualms/partisan politics. Only time will tell if Sarah Palin's support
is as unconditional.
A note to Anonymous: I think if anything the media has given the
McCain/Palin ticket too much slack lately. Many polls show Obama's lead
shrinking and like sheep, many of us change our minds according to what the
major networks report at 6 o'clock (coincidink?). The 'lipstick on a pig' comment is
a very common saying akin to 'can't teach an old dog new tricks'. This
is a case of the media giving McCain far too much leeway by
overreporting. The "pig" in this question is McCain's economic policy,
and the lipstick is the political spin and maneuverings. Neither image should fairly be
applied to Sarah Palin, and I'm not just saying that to defend Obama.
I haven't decided yet who to vote for, but I must say that all of McCain's blustering and Palin's flipflopping service record make me less and less inclined to check their box in November. I for one only want to hear about the issues and wish the candidates and commentators would stay on topic. Everyone has skeletons.
Ali de Bold
|well said missjudy on Sep 22, 2008 @ 10:15 am|